Nagihiko/Nadeshiko Temari/Rhythm Permissions and information post

[nadenagi]

Gender - Please post here/let me know if your character has any way to know (beyond simple observation) the true gender of a character. Nagihiko is a cross dresser, but his act is so good that his female form's best friend, having spent hours upon hours with both personalities has no clue they are they same person. Other classmates, teachers... The only people who know are those who have been told. So, unless your character has some special way to know the truth, please accept the character as the gender stated in the post. Thank you!

Shugo charas, Chara-change, Charanari - What your character can see -
Nagihiko/Nadeshiko has two eggs,
that hatch into two small Shugo Charas, small creatures about a hand span in height -  and  Temari

For play balance, I am saying that anyone who can see/hear magic or is very aware of the soul, would be able to see and hear the eggs/charas. I will write out the charas/eggs as present, generally, as if everyone can see/hear them. For those who cannot, please note that anything Nadeshiko/Nagihiko says have be heard by anyone. If the charas eat something, a small bite will seem to vanish, if they're carrying something, the thing will be seen to be moving.

For Chara-change; anyone who can see the charas can see all aspects of the chara-change (For Nagihiko it's DJ ports around his neck, For Nadeshiko it's a change in her hair ribbon and stars in her eyes.) Everyone can see the creepy look on Nadeshiko's face, the change in their behavior, and if it appears, the naginata that Nadeshiko can summon while chara-changed.

Charanari - This probably will not come up, but if it does, Nagihiko and Nadeshiko have the ability in the presence (If it is anywhere in the world and active, really) of the Humpty Lock to transform like a magical girl. Anyone who can see Temari and Rhythm can see him/her transform. EVERYONE can see what he/she looks like after the transformation, however, and can see what he/she does that way.

Comments

[phobophage]

Okay, this is an interesting wrinkle. Deimonea doesn't have any direct way to tell Nagihiko's gender, but she can sense fears (but only in-person) so if he has any fear related to his secret being exposed, she might notice that. But she doesn't generally reveal the fears she senses, preferring to keep them in mind for custom-tailored nightmares. And if he doesn't have any fears related to that, she'll be completely oblivious to his gender!

Also she has awareness of psyches so she might be able to tell the eggs/charas're there.

[nadenagi]

Any fear about being revealed ins rare and very brief, and here it would be even less so. So unless something occurs between them IC, probably wont happen.

But yeah, seems like she would be able to see Temari and Rhythm, though, which could be fun to play with. Temari... she seems to have fear herself, but it's hard to tell if that's feigned. Especially since she's really just an aspect of Nadeshiko, who is an aspect of Nagihiko, and neither child shares that fear.

The fear in question is getting dirty. She constantly refuses to do things because it might get her kimono dirty. Not sure how wide the definition of fear is for Deimonea, but there is that.

Now... Nagihiko does have social anxiety when Rhythm isn't around, and sometimes even when he is, so she could pick up that if you want, but even then he doesn't think of it in terms of "I wish I was Nadeshiko right now" it's always "I wish Nadeshiko were here right now", He even thinks of his other self as another person 99% of the time (which is a big part of why he is so good at the act and why he doesn't generally think about/fear discovery)

The question is, is this for RC or Tel?

In Tel the Charas are still in eggs, so Nagihiko's social anxiety is at its worst, and he keeps even thinking that he'd be willing to hide behind his sister's skirt rather than have to talk to these people himself. So there is that to play with. Also, he's afraid the eggs will never hatch and he'll never meet the other "Child" and he'll never see Temari again.

In RC - he has Rhythm, so the fear is not as strong, but it is still there.

[phobophage]

This is for RC! And I do have a permission post here, largely because Deimonea is a huge troll.

Anyways, from the looks of it Deimonea won't be able to pick up on them being the same person. I was just asking on the outside chance. And I'm somewhat familiar with Shugo Chara, though it's been a while since I read it so I don't recall all the details. Glad to see someone playing from it, though.

[nadenagi]

I have someone I had been trying to convince to play Tadase! Thought it would have been fun to watch a pair of shy at the core of them 13 year olds trying to take over the city, but he didn't think he could get into the kiddie king's headspace.

Yeah, I don't think she could. Though I kinda would love to watch a thread if anyone apps an Amu, given how often she comes off as cool while she's terrified.

When she's more settled emotionally, I'd love to plot something with you for Kaylin. But she's still getting emotional and all stirred up just from everyday stuff. I want her to have her feet under her before we knock her on her bum so badly.

[phobophage]

Too bad, the kiddie king would've been fun.

I'm up for such plotting anytime, but I understand wanting to let her get on her feet first.

[nadenagi]

It would have been!

and awesome, thank you!

[notsosecret]

Osamu has no way of telling, and won't be able to see the Shugo Charas. So she'll go along with whichever the character looks like, though she wouldn't make a big deal if she were to find out either way.

[nadenagi]

Cool! ::goes to reply to the post::

[s012]

Samwise Gamgee his_gardener: He'll have no problem about what he/she wants to wear and certainly won't be one to tell gender without the obvious. And while he does have experience with magic he's not keep on it so wouldn't be able to see them.

Finnian s012: Finnian would be clueless even if he was told what she did. He'll also be unable to see Nagihiko and Nadeshiko.

Seimei Aoyagi beloved_one: Seimei won't pick up what gender, but he is a master of picking up on subtleties so he could probably figure out that they are actually the same person. Also as a sacrifice and dealing with word spells and battle all the time he will be able to see the two charas.

Undertaker beautyindeath: A former shinigami, he'll be able to tell the gender as well as see both. Though he won't give away the secret so long as he's provided a good laugh.

[frilliance]

Edgeworth (this guy) and Komaeda (hopefullybatshit) are normal humans so they shouldn't be able to sense the eggs.

As for gender, neither Edgeworth nor Komaeda will be able to tell Naghiko's gender right of the bat. However, they are both good at picking up subtleties (Edgeworth being a genius prosecutor and Komaeda just being scarily smart when it comes to detective work) so they might eventually work out that the twins are the same person. Should either dude find out Naghiko's gender, I don't see either of them ICly telling others without a very good reason but I'll try and find excuses not to come to that. If anything, Komaeda will just be in huge awe at your character's cross-dressing talents.

[nadenagi]

Awesome! There is much to be awed over. I'll be playing the "twins" at a LARP this month, and I only hope I can do their acting skills justice. I keep forgetting what trolls they can be, ESPECIALLY Nadeshiko.

Same mun, different journal.

[hoperulesdespairdrools]

Welp. Komaeda might be difficult to troll (not impossible though) but Edgeworth wouldn't be (certain things can get him easily riled up).

And I'm not sure if Komaeda awing over the twins is a good thing, thanks to DR 2 spoilers (idk if you are bothered by those).

Re: Same mun, different journal.

[nadenagi]

I'm not following that show, so I wouldn't even understand the spoilers.

But yeah, Nadeshiko has a lot of fun trolling. The thing is, she's so subtle about it, that most of the time, no one knows they've been had, it remains her private amusement.

Nagihiko is more in your face about it, however.

[scary_music]

Ibuki's a normal person so no egg seeing for her!

However Ibuki has... ridiculously good hearing. But this is entirely a case by case basis on how much she can discern with her ears, and I'd pretty much leave it to your discretion if Ibuki can ever manage to pick up that something's not quite right with a voice or match up one voice with another. She could just pretty much assume their voice similarities to being twins and whatnot.

[nadenagi]

Their voices could be taken as similar because of siblings, they sound different enough in the anime.

But if her hearing is that good, she might hear the charas moving against things. They're not always the most... careful. I'll try to make a point of noting when they interact with something not them.

[scary_music]

Then the biggest worry would be if they slip up and use the wrong voice for their appearance! She's got a good memory too so yeah.

If the charas actually are capable of making sound that non-magical yet very good ears can pick up, then Ibuki could very well hear them, yup!

[nadenagi]

Okay. so she can't hear them talking, but she might hear Temari's kimono brushing against things.

[scary_music]

Oh I almost forgot.

Ibuki has a fire lizard/mini dragon with her sometimes. Would that be able to see them???

[nadenagi]

I stopped reading Pern ages ago.... but given the group memory, the sensitivity to emotions, the telepathy, an the fact that I know of at least one bonded to someone who is POWERFUL magically, I'd say yeah.... why not. The Pernian mini-drags can see the charas. More fun that way, anyhow!

[timberwings]

Rinoa is a sorceress in her world and they're very familiar with magic even before this fact, but it's mostly the sorceress reason for why I'm going to say she can see them.

[nadenagi]

Works for me!

[roddy_reinigen]

Right now Roddy can probably tell as a rat due to the scent, but wouldn't normally be able to tell the difference, and due to rat eyes working differently than human eyes probably won't recognize that they're the same person once he's human.

I'm not sure if he'd normally see the charas or not, though. In his world he can see people when they woge (basically change shape but still look human to most people), but since he doesn't have his powers at the moment I'm not sure if he can.

[nadenagi]

Normally, I'd say that I'm cool with someone who saw Temari as an animal being able to see her when they're human again, but if he won't recognize the twins, then he probably wouldn't have that trigger in his brain when he sees them again.

So... for now he knows he's talking to a boy, and sees Temari, and post curse, he won't see Temari, and won't know this is who he spoke to?

Until/unless one of the twins says something to trigger the mental connection?

[roddy_reinigen]

Yep, pretty much.

[alphaophiuchi]

Draco has no ways of being able to discern gender. However, as a wizard (even with his magic temporarily removed), he does have at least some ability to sense magical abilities. Usually seeing or hearing magic is done in the form of casting a spell to reveal traces or signatures, however, I'm inclined to say he's at least slightly capable of seeing it naturally.

This may, however, mean that he's only partly able to see the eggs/charas, perhaps as faint apparitions?

[nadenagi]

I'm fine with him hearing and seeing them! I'll post what Temari is doing and saying when they interact! So far practically no one here can see Temari, so Nadeshiko may decide to befriend him just because of that. :D

[alphaophiuchi]

That sounds brilliant. I love it :D